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[Spoilers for the latest episode of Glee]

Oh, Glee. On the one hand you giveth unto me a cheerleading routine set to "Ray of Light" on stilts, which is pretty much the essence of all my desires. On the other hand you giveth a treatise on feminism so utterly stupid that my fingers tingled with rage. Finn's big concession to treating girls like people is to... cede his rights to Rachel to another guy! How enlightened.

The way I keep watching this show really baffles me*, because I have given up on way smarter shows for being way less consistently and obviously fail - Criminal Minds pretty much lost me with an episode on child-stealing gypsies, in a show otherwise relatively good on diversity and feminism. But Glee is just bad and bad and MORE bad. It never stops being bad, and it never stops being smug about being bad.

And yet I'm still there, albeit fast-forwarding through every scene where Will Schuester talks. I cannot believe how incredibly ungracious he was about Mercedes and Kurt doing vocals for the Cheerios, especially when that was such an incredible performance! What a nasty, controlling, small-minded man.

So why am I still watching, internets, I ask myself. It might just be that I could watch Naya Rivera and Heather Morris dance all day. (And in this episode, I nearly did - I think Naya was in all six dance numbers). I really wish they had a better show to be on.


*Maybe it shouldn't baffle me. I mean, I do still read superhero comics, and I think I have sufficiently outlined my issues therein.

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takumashii
Apr. 22nd, 2010 02:46 pm (UTC)
Oh, I am sad! I have been taking a break from Glee since the mid-season break, just hoping it would have its act together more when I came back. Instead I just stopped caring, but I still really wish it could just be ... less bad.
bookshop
Apr. 22nd, 2010 02:57 pm (UTC)

it never stops being smug about being bad.

that is the thing that kills me most about it -- it genuinely seems to think that it actually is the post-modern, post-feminist wonder it styles itself as, and it's SO PROUD OF ITSELF. it's like a pet bringing me a dead animal and expecting me to give it a pat on the back, only the dead animal equivalent is this constant ongoing misogyny and whiteness and white / male privilege and use of minorities as props and tokens. but when i talk to people about this the answer is inevitably, "but i love the singing so much!"

i love acappella music and directed an acappella vocal group for 2 years, and yet i remain uncharmed? WHY IS THAT, GLEE, WHY IS THAT?

/rant

oh! also! i was going to make the point that glee's smugness over bringing me its dead animal is very similar to Hipster -ism, and then i remembered that FWD already did this for me, and much better.

Edited at 2010-04-22 02:59 pm (UTC)
karenhealey
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:01 pm (UTC)
Well, and you know, I *do* love the singing so much. But superb song and dance numbers do not erase the fail by virtue of their existence!
lauredhel
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:10 pm (UTC)
While I've enjoyed the odd finale number, I find the autotuning on the main cast's numbers really distracting and deadening. It only seems to disappear when Mercedes and Tina are singing, and sometimes for Kurt.
karenhealey
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:15 pm (UTC)
Well, truth be told I am mostly there for the dancing, but I actually really like the autotune on the group numbers - I appreciate the way it smooths out the group sound. I KNOW MUSICAL PHILISTINE.

But pretty much any solo/duet with autotune makes me go ew. I really wish they would stop autotuning Rachel's numbers in particular. Lea Michele has a really lovely, distinctive voice!
msconduct
Apr. 22nd, 2010 11:45 pm (UTC)
Lea Michele does have a nice voice, but alas, she is also often flat, especially on her top notes. I can almost, not quite but almost, understand why they use autotune for her - although why didn't they just cast someone who can SING IN TUNE?
msconduct
Apr. 22nd, 2010 11:43 pm (UTC)
OMG YES DEATH TO AUTOTUNE! It ruins a lot of the Glee songs for me. Even Mercedes was hit with the autotune stick at times last season. The only time I haven't been able to detect it was when the divine Kristin Chenoweth was singing.
metonymy
Apr. 22nd, 2010 09:57 pm (UTC)
But it's not a capella, is it? I only watched the pilot but they had a band for Don't Stop Believin'. Which is part of why I didn't come back for episode 2. (The epic hipster -ism fail being the other part.)
handyhunter
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:01 pm (UTC)
I think Glee is doubly infuriating because it does occasionally acknowledge its own problems, but then keeps on doing it (because it's 'edgy'? or 'ironic'?), and is lauding itself/being lauded for 'diversity'. I wish this show about outcast kids! doing musical numbers! were a lot smarter and subversive about the topics it addresses and so often fails on.
karenhealey
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:07 pm (UTC)
Ugh, exactly. It's so gross. I love outcast kids! doing musical numbers! with cheerleading! I really *want* to love them unreservedly, and it just can't happen because the show's so very smugly oblivious.
manynames
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:03 pm (UTC)
I am equally confused. I think it might be because fewer things make me laugh more than watching Cory Monteith dance. It disappoints me so much. How could they go so wrong with a show featuring cheerleaders, mash ups and dance routines?
karenhealey
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:04 pm (UTC)
I believe you mean "dance".
musamea
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:06 pm (UTC)
I know! It's like watching a trainwreck - every week I say I'm done with Glee and every week after that I am back for more fail. I don't understand...

In other news, my copy of Guardian of the Dead arrived! I am looking forward to locking myself into my room and reading it all weekend long. :D
elucreh
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:27 pm (UTC)
Somehow I am still shocked and surprised every time Will treats the children like chess pieces instead of people. Idk, raceism and ableism and misogyny and everything else, somehow the terrible, terrible being-a-teacher is what really gets to me. *sigh*
amandeo
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:29 pm (UTC)
There are four excellent reasons I keep watching this show: Naya Rivera, Heather Morris, Lea Michele and Dianna Agron. Each of them have their moments and their 'things', but as long as they keep bringing the pretty and the snark and the crazy I'm pretty much on board with anything the writers throw at me.

That being said, there were genuine cringe moments for me this week. The heavy-handed but misguided feminism bullshit for one, Sue Sylvester demanding her Cheerios date younger men the other. However, both the 'Like a Virgin' and 'Express Yourself' numbers may have more than made up for every misgiving I had about the episode. But I am ridiculously shallow that way.
puritybrown
Apr. 22nd, 2010 03:34 pm (UTC)
I gave up on it after the episode where they were raising money for the accessible bus. I just... haven't been able to bring myself to watch it since then, I think in large part because the fail was not just fail on the part of the show but on the part of the characters. I was beginning to hate more or less all of them, and not in a fun way.

And yet, I totally sympathise with the "so much fail WHY CAN'T I STOP WATCHING" feeling. I mean, I am a 24 fan! I have sat through entire seasons mostly consisting of liberal-bashing and arguments for torture so I can get to the sweet, sweet Jack Bauer angst and badassery. (What the musical numbers are to Glee, the "Jack kills the bad guys and/or sheds a manly tear" scenes are to 24.) I can't justify that to myself at all. It is pretty much the definition of a "guilty pleasure".
kungfufighting
Apr. 22nd, 2010 04:25 pm (UTC)
I watch because this show is a cruel, tempting mistress who knows I will always come back for those sweet, sweet musical numbers no matter how badly it treats me. Sigh.

When you dig around, there are true, good moments, like the dynamic between Finn and Rachel. So much of that reminds me of my own high school experience, and I think they hit the nail on the head. I remember what it was like to be the girl who loved too much. *sniff*

However, you have to wade through a lot of stuff to get to those moments. And if I don't fast forward through parts, I end up with a sore face from all the wincing and forehead slapping.

Also, why does Will never teach his classes? Is he not a Spanish teacher? HOW IS HE ALWAYS IN THE PRACTICE ROOM?

Singing and dancing always win me over. THEY ARE MY WEAKNESS. And the TV knows it.
franzferdinand2
Apr. 23rd, 2010 04:01 am (UTC)
I used to find the show reasonably entertaining, but I'm cutting it off after this most recent episode. Even at its best, it's still a show that's tonally at war with itself. It doesn't know if it wants to be wacky or serious, and when you combine that with the various failures of the show (we've got racefail, genderfail, ablefail, gayfail....am I missing anything?), no amount of choreographed routines can bring me back. I thought Mercedes' meta-line about how they only bring her in to belt the last note of songs was funny, but I'm not sure if they're actually going to do anything about that.

The depiction of high school is actually one of the turnoffs for me, as Glee is to my actual high school experience as Hogan's Heroes is to World War 2. Maybe my school was different from others, but we didn't really have cliques. I mean, we had circles of friends, but there wasn't any kind of hierarchy between them. There weren't "the popular kids" that people wanted to be. I especially balk at the depiction of the scheming, popular cheerleaders. I don't know about the rest of you, but all the cheerleaders at my school were very nice people, albeit WAY too happy.
bossymarmalade
Apr. 22nd, 2010 04:28 pm (UTC)
At this point I fastforward anything with an adult other than Sue in it, because OMG I LOVE THE KIDS and their shiny sparkly dancing singing numbers, but Will cannot be borne. ugh, ugh, ugh!
ladyjax
Apr. 22nd, 2010 09:44 pm (UTC)
I'm going to step out and say that I stay with it because it fails. And I think that's the point.

Those first episodes were all about pluck and good times but there were a few chinks in the armor. These newer ones are full of fail and I love that it is because I was so very tired of Shue's righteousness, Rachel's ambitions, and Finn's stupidity. Hell yes, Shue needs to be hurt about Kurt and Mercedes going to the dark side because, guess what, he should have known and nurtured that talent and not just trotted it out when it was needed. Teachers like Shue exist and quite frankly, poking at him every week gives me a happy.

Don't even get me started on Finn and Rachel. I really want someone to push Rachel down some stairs at this point.

So, I am entertained every week even with the stuff that sometimes makes me wince. I don't know what that says about me but I'm sticking with it.
ummmmmokay
Apr. 22nd, 2010 10:49 pm (UTC)
Yes!
I completely agree. I keep watching Glee because mostly, well, I really love the music, and there are parts of it that are very funny. There's so much other stuff about the show that just drives me nuts. I've just sort of stopped expecting the show to be intelligent and instead just expecting good music and the occasional hilarious one-liner.

artic_fox
Apr. 22nd, 2010 10:51 pm (UTC)
You've been sucked in just like so many of us. Woe.
labellementeuse
Apr. 22nd, 2010 10:58 pm (UTC)
Also, how SHOCKING (note: not really) that the male virgin had sex and neither of the girl versions could go through with it. (At least he didn't enjoy it.) Boys Can't Be Virgins. (I so wanted what Rachel said to have really been true, although simultaneously I don't think anyone should be pressured to have sex, BUT... I still wish TV could show young women actually having sex & not in a slut-shaming way (Santana rocks, but I don't like her treatment.)

yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you're saying, and I felt like it was really OBVIOUS that this episode was written by a man (Um, I actually don't know this for sure). It just felt like a lot of male misperceptions about feminism & what feminism wants. Likem really, we don't want guys subsuming their personality and faking interest in people in order to get laid.
elysdir
Apr. 24th, 2010 03:59 pm (UTC)
Re written by a man: Yep, looks like the credited writers on all of the episodes have been men: Ryan Murphy, Brad Falchuk, and Ian Brennan. At least two of them used to work on Nip/Tuck.

smallcaps
Apr. 22nd, 2010 11:21 pm (UTC)
I have actually developed a new strategy for watching Glee that involves fast-forwarding through literally everything that's not a musical number.

I trialled it this week and was overcome with approximately 34569747% less rage than usual.

Bonus: Kurt as a cheerleader reads (to me) as the butchest he's ever been. Why is that? I think it was all the strutting.
ifritah
Apr. 23rd, 2010 11:41 am (UTC)
Finn's big concession to treating girls like people is to... cede his rights to Rachel to another guy! How enlightened.

Hrm, that's not what I got from that scene. I found his concession to be that he recognized how he treated her during their brief dating. His offer to back off now that Rachel has Jesse was an attempt to be respectful. (This is all in my opinion, of course.)

Personally, I love the flaws in the show. I suppose I'm watching all the different -isms going on and expecting them to be touched on, allowing character growth, etc. (I will see Tina in the spotlight and I will LOVE IT, damnit!)

If I'm wrong, and the show continues foreshadowing lies of growth, then yes, I will be mighty peeved.
lady_ganesh
Apr. 24th, 2010 01:06 am (UTC)
I have not started the next bit of Glee, but I've decided there are two reasons I am still watching: Singing and dancing, and the fact that I recognize some of the students and miss them a bit.

Plus, I gave up Supernatural, and so I had a space in my life for something problematic.
apgeeksout
Apr. 25th, 2010 11:00 pm (UTC)
The chief reason I haven't gotten into Glee, despite the singing and dancing, is because I can't seem to give Supernatural up, so my capacity for fail is pretty well exhausted.
elysdir
Apr. 24th, 2010 04:06 pm (UTC)
The two political bits that struck me most in this episode:

1. Will says he needs to treat Emma with more respect, and then he tells her they can't date and that she needs to get help. And she looks at him worshipfully and (iIrc) thanks him. Oy.

2. I could be wrong, but I suspect there were more people of color in the Vogue video and in the backing choir at the end than have appeared in the entire rest of the series put together. So the show apparently is aware that there are (for example) talented black singers and dancers, but isn't up to foregrounding them.

I did like the stilt dance this episode. And the "Like a Prayer" finale. And several funny lines.

Oh, yeah, and among all the other things that bug me about the show: I wish it didn't feel the need to explicitly state the moral of the episode two to four consecutive times near the end of every episode.
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